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∂16-OCT-74 2256 network site ML
From: MINSKY@MIT-ML 10/17/74 01:58:32
ANYWAY, I GUESS THERE IS A NEW POLICY
FOR CLOBBERING NETWORK USERS.
AN ACQUAINTANCE, LEONARD HAMILTON OF
BRROKHAVEN, IS ON A COMMITTE ABOUT ENERGY AND
ENVIRONMENT ETC. ETC. I TOLD HIM
SOME OF YOUR PRO-AUTOMOBILE
(AND PRO-TECHNOLOGY) ARGUMENTS AND HE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO
READ MORE. ARE ANY RELEVANT ESSAYS SEND-ABLE TO HIM?
INDEED, I FELL THAT THE WORLD NEEDS THE TECHNOLOGY BOOK
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AND IF I CAN HELP YOU GET IT OUT
ILL BE GLAD TO HELP.
∂26-OCT-74 1653 S,LES
John:
Lick shot back rather quickly:
∂26-OCT-74 0717 network site ISI
Date: 26 OCT 1974 0717-PDT
From: LICKLIDER at USC-ISI
Subject: Bullets
To: LES at SU-AI
cc: Licklider
Thanks very much for the bullets. What I had in mind when I
called was mainly automatic programming, but I am very happy to have the
broader coverage.
Here is some reaction/response, intended to contribute to the
shaping up of this bullet business, which plays (or should/could play)
an important role in keeping ARPA Hq. informed of and happy with what
IPTO contractors are doing:
Robotics
What, specifically, is the two-arm system capable of doing?
Examples might be sufficient. A general specification of capa capability
illustrated with examples would be great. Our readership delights in
specificity.
How much does stereo improve performace? How does far-field
stereo vision work? (In human vision, I thought stereo worked only in
near field.)
MT of C
Could you lay out the steps to a practical program-verification
system, with projected times of achievement, so we can see where
the LCF-PASCAL program stands in the over-all program?
[Sorry I missed a heading. 'Computer Vision' should have preceded
'How much'.]
Theorem Proving
Gratified to see we have in over-all IPTO program at least
one effort to create computer-aided top-down programming aid.
It will be important to make measurements to see whether/how much
this beats 'ordinary' programming. Could you be sure the report
gives a thorough treatment of this one?
AP
From Cordell, I have descriptions of three AP programs, of
which the second you mention is one, but I do not recognize the first
you mention. I am now trying to perfect a set of AP bullets. Would
you augment the description of this first one. I'll send my
descriptions of the other three for improvement by you and
Cordell.
NLU
This is too general for our use but sounds as though a
more specific description would be very useful. Best supress the
name. Please explain conceptual dependency.
Training
We are working (slowly) on the problem of the capacity of
the field of AI to use research support effectively. Ideally, we
would have a model of the field that would include numbers of people
at each of several levels of capability and cost, rate of movement
from one category to another (e.g., rate of production of Ph.D.s
and rate of dropping out of graduate study and dropping out of field
altogether), etc. Let me ask you to think about this matter a bit
and indicate what you can tell us that will be helpful. Our motivation
is simply that we are planning to put more emphasis on and money
into AI work, and the question is asked, 'Where are the competent
people going to come from to do the work?'.
Please let me know of any questions that my comments raise
in you mind. I want to develop, over the months, a way of getting
good, informative bullets with the least pain to all concerned.
Perhaps the best general guidance I can give is that the intended
readers insist on understanding, are not satisfied with someting
that just sounds important. The problem for me is that (1)
the items have to be pretty short but (2) have to carry enough
context that a gerneralist in technology can understand them and
their relation to DoD problems.
Regards
Lick
P.S.: I forgot to carbon-copy Cordell. Would you please show
this to him? Lick
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∂25-OCT-74 2328 S,LES
BULLET fired.
∂24-OCT-74 1435 1,BH
Is there any chance of getting more 300 baud dialup lines? Especially
now that the dialer exists TTY11 is often busy, and if they are really
going to start charging for using the Ames TIP the demand will be even
greater.
∂24-OCT-74 0601 S,LES
I just had another telephone conversation with Al Blue at ARPA
who said that we can (almost certainly) have $130K for hardware,
such as memory, if we generate a hasty proposal. Our regular
proposal should be in not later than next month.
∂23-OCT-74 1130 ACT,REG
In conversation with Fred Wilhelm today, he said:
1. He thinks we're getting an essentially bare KL10 with
11/40 console/front-end, tu56, some sort of of console tty,
membus adapter and IO bus adapter.
2. 1080 backpanel has room for only one dte20.
3. 1080 backpanel cannot accomodate any RH20s.
4. Wilhelm thinks that our machine is being handled by Tom Campbell,
20-20 product line manager. Wilhelm was uncertain about whether
mass bus can be retrofitted on our machine, and he was uncertain
about delivery schedule, and suggested that Campbell knows all.
5. For our general information, Wilhelm informs us that there are
three product line managers in 10 land, Campbell, Fagerquist (1080),
and Stan Pearson (communications).
∂23-OCT-74 0909 network site CMUA
***** FTP mail from [C410HB03] (BERLINER)
DR. MCCARTHY,
I HAVE NO PLANS AT PRESENT TO PUBLISH MY THESIS. WE ARE REPRINTING 500 MORE
COPIES AND THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR ANYBODY WHO MIGHT WANT IT. HOWEVER,
I MAY DO A BOOK ON COMPUTER CHESS, IN WHICH CASE A PORTION OF THE THESIS
WOULD BE USED. HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR COMMENTS, AS YOUR OUTLOOK
WOULD BE VALUABLE IN GUIDING MY FUTURE WORK. AT PRESENT I AM STILL TRYING TO
FINISH OFF MY DEGREE REQUIREMENTS AND GET BACK TO THE PROGRAM. I'M ALSO
ROUGHING OUT SOME PAPERS BASED ON MY THESIS.
HANS BERLINER
∂21-OCT-74 0954 1,MG
I'm very interested in formalisms for representing semantic-equations so I'm
looking forward to talking to you about LISP in FOL.
Until I get a car (i.e. until I'm paid) I work on campus on tuesdays
and thursdays (I spend the mornings listening to TW's lectures and having
typing lessons from Stanford's ''clerical skills training instructor``).
(In the afternoon I'm in one of the libraries). I'm having lunch with
Danny Bobrow today so I may spend the afternoon on campus.Thus I'll be
in the lab. all day wednesday and all day friday this week.
Unfortunately I've only got one copy of my thesis with me. The proof of the
Main Theorem is now obsolete - Milne of Oxford has shown me a much neater proof.
Part of my current effort is directed toward extending the semantics to handle
all of LISP 1.5 together with some interactive features (e.g. BREAK, TRACE etc.).
Fairly soon I may produce a list of the things I hope to prove.
Mike
∂21-OCT-74 0858 SEC,TW
yes jerry is the right one -- you should also send
a copy to danny.
∂17-OCT-74 1643 SOC,AHB
Do you know where I can find the proceedings of the NBS conference on Automation's
Impact on the Public, held last May?
Thanks, Alan Borning
∂14-OCT-74 1721 1,PAW
there is a memo about a visit from M. Levieux, of IRIA coming on nov. 5 in your
mail for today...Ed Lak's secretary called about visit from Dr. E. Gornowsky
and D. Baeder, corporate research EXXON who will be here on 12 november and he
would like you to talk to them from l:45-2:35 in your office....i can't find
an address for Dana Scott and i can't find the memo from Remsen to send with
the Cheney letter....patte
∂17-OCT-74 1215 100,100: MSW @ USCT
THE NEW DIVISION HEAD - DR.CANNON ARRIVED THIS WEEK. HE ALREADY
APPOINTED A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO STUDY THE COMPUTER SCIENCE
PROBLEMS. THE HEAD OF THIS COMMITTE IS DR. GOULD, ONE OF OUR FINEST
PHYSICIST. ALSO IN THE COMMITTE ARE: PIERCE, FRANKLIN(APP. MATH.),
MACCANN,AND OTHERS. THEY PLAN TO CONSALT ALSO WITH PEOPLE OUTSIDE
CIT. THE TIME FOR YOUR LETTER IS RIGHT NOW, AND YOU MIGHT CONSIDER
SENDING COPIES TO CANNON, AND GOULD.
∂15-OCT-74 2153 EXP,JMG
Some bug in a program which should have terminated. That's really
embarrasing.
∂15-OCT-74 1133 ACT,REG
JMG is eating up the computer, the disk, the UDP and the dart tapes, and
he's doing it without even being here.
He started a job thru a PTY just before midnight and it's gobbled 7 hours
of CPU time, it's written more than 130 data files, and every one of those
files has to get dumped, bloating the dart tapes and history files.
It's nearly noon, and that job is still running. And what was that claim
about only using up time at night when no one else....
∂15-OCT-74 1128 D,LOU
I am/was here today Tuesday, and will not be in Monday
∂15-OCT-74 1121 D,LOU
I put my comments into react.doc lou
∂14-OCT-74 2221 1,BH
Besides the problem of dialing up the other computer in the first
place (what if TTY11 is busy, etc.), there is the further problem
that there is no File Transfer Protocol for such connections, so I
would have to know, for each such system, how to log in and enter
a mail command, how to interpret its responses (there are standard
FTP response codes for various error conditions), and any
timing idiosyncracies regarding typeahead and so on. If you were
to persuade them to establish a dial-up FTP server, then maybe.
∂14-OCT-74 1443 H,RF
New files: HALNEW.DOC current cogitation about what should be changed in HAL
PRUNE.DAT finally. Please use PRUNE to add to this.
REACT.DOC outside reactions to the HAL document.
␈ CC: @HAL:TOB,RCB,RF,LOU,RHT,[HAL,HE],JMC,JH,BO,BES
∂12-OCT-74 1909 1,PDQ AT TTY17 1909
CAN WE MEET MONDAY ABOUT THE VIKING QUESTION -- PRIMARILY BUDGET MATTERS
∂11-OCT-74 1945 1,DBX
You will find my text in PLANS[1,DBX].
∂11-OCT-74 1249 1,DML
I'VE BORROWED YOUR COPY OF CHARNIAK'S "A STUDY IN THE PRAGMATICS OF LANGUAGE"
∂09-OCT-74 0954 D,LOU AT TTY105 0954
Sato from ETL will be here Friday morning
I will pick him up in Palo Alto and bring hime here
at about 930am, I am sure that he will want to
meet with you.
Lou
∂08-OCT-74 1620 HAL,RHT
HAL mtg rescheduled for Thursday, 2:00 pm
∂06-OCT-74 2246 FOO,DBA
SOFTWR.GOL[SOF,DOC] is SOFT+SOFT.ANS+SOFTER. DBA
∂08-OCT-74 0911 MUS,SAJ
I ran into Genevieve Marcus and Bob Smith at a wine tasting in LA.
If you are not already acquainted with their EARTHLAB project, I
think you will find this interesting and amusing reading. They
have acquired 38,000 acres of land near San Luis Obispo for their
first city of 50k inhabitants. They seem to have a reasonably
large resource base available.
SAJ
∂08-OCT-74 0231 NS,ME
New NS finally up. Documents itself. Has output features; ?OUTPUT.
∂07-OCT-74 1446 H,RF
HAL meeting postponed until after meeting with Brewer Tues 1330.
␈ CC: @HAL:TOB,RCB,RF,LOU,RHT,[HAL,HE],JMC,JH,BO,BES
∂06-OCT-74 1803 R,WD
I HAVE RETURNED YOUR DOWN JACKET.
∂04-OCT-74 1424 1,KNM
phone message: bill spicer phoned, he read your statement and will be happy to
support it. you may phone him at 74643 or 74639. (2:03)
∂03-OCT-74 1737 FOO,DBA
SOFT.TK[FOO,DBA] is Tom Knight's opinion.
∂03-OCT-74 1108 1,KNM
cindy gillman of the energy office called. there is an opening to speak on
mon oct. 7 at 8:00 pm. are you interested in filling it. please call her
at 556-1465.
∂03-OCT-74 0912 265,TW
you may be interested in OBSOL.ETE[DOC,TW]
∂02-OCT-74 1335 1,BH
I thought you might be interested in this excerpt from RSEXEC's
NETNEWS messages:
Date: 1 OCT 1974 1401-EDT
From: MALMAN
Subject: EXTREMELY IMPORTANT NEWS RE TIP ACCESS CONTROL AND ACCOUNTING
DEAR TIP USER:
BEGINNING DECEMBER 1, 1974 ALL ACCESS TO THE ARPANET
THROUGH TIPS WILL BE CONTROLLED BY A LOGIN PROCEDURE. AFTER
CONNECTING TO A TIP IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO TYPE YOUR NAME
IDENTIFIER AND SECRET PASSWORD. IF YOU CANNOT SUCCESSFULLY
LOGIN YOU WILL BE DISCONNECTED.
BEGINNING NOVEMBER 1, 1974 THE SYSTEM WILL START A TESTING
PHASE DURING WHICH ANY NAME IDENTIFIER AND PASSWORD WILL WORK.
IN ORDER TO GET AN ACCOUNT YOU SHOULD BE AN
AUTHORIZED USER AND SUBMIT A REQUEST. AUTHORIZED
USERS ARE (1) ARPA CONTRACTORS USING THE ARPANET IN SUPPORT
OF THE WORK OF THEIR ARPA CONTRACT, OR (2) MILITARY PERSONNEL
OR PERSONNEL OF NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCIES USING THE NETWORK
FOR R & D PURPOSES. USERS OF THE NETWORK WHO DO
NOT FIT INTO EITHER CATEGORY ARE ENCOURAGED TO MAKE A SPECIAL
REQUEST FOR ACCESS.
IN THE FUTURE, THERE WILL BE A CHARGE FOR TIP USEAGE.
HENCE, REQUESTS FOR ACCOUNTS MUST CONTAIN INFORMATION ABOUT
THE INDIVIDUAL REQUESTING THE ACCOUNT AND THE ORGANIZATION
THAT WILL PAY FOR THE ACCOUNT. THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE
ORGANIZATION MUST BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN AUTHORIZED SIGNATURE.
THE REQUEST MUST INDICATE SPECIFIC TIPS TO BE ACCESSED,
FOR THE OWNERS OF SOME TIPS MAY WISH TO RESTRICT ACCESS.
SPECIAL ACOUNTS WILL BE AVAILABLE ALLOWING ACCESS TO ALL
TIPS. THESE WILL BE ASSIGNED TO OPERATORS AND MAINTAINERS
OF THE NETWORK, AND OTHERS UNDER EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES,
BY REQUEST.
INDIVIDUAL INFORMATION: NAME IDENTIFIER, FULL NAME, PASSWORD REQUESTED,
ADDRESS, TELEPHONE NUMBER, NETWORK ADDRESS (IF ANY),
AND LIST OF TIPS TO BE ACCESSED.
PAYING ORGANIZATION INFORMATION: NAME, NAME OF AUTHORIZING
INDIVIDUAL, ADDRESS AND TELEPHONE NUMBER OF AUTHORIZING
INDIVIDUAL
CHARGES FOR TIP USE WILL BEGIN IN FY76, AND A CHARGING
SCHEME HAS NOT YET BEEN WORKED OUT. SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME.
PLEASE SEND LETTERS (NOT NETWORK MAIL) REQUESTING ACCOUNTS TO:
DR. CRAIG FIELDS
ARPA
1400 WILSON BLVD.
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA 22209
CRAIG FIELDS
∂02-OCT-74 1341 1,KNM
paul fine of informatics (213) 822-3552 would like you to call (13:42)
∂02-OCT-74 1324 1,KNM
holt ashley phoned and he is a potential signer of some form of your
technology optimism statement and would like to be included in your
discussion and on the list.
∂01-OCT-74 1434 FOO,DBA
The file SOFTER[FOO,DBA] is a postscript to the Software discussion begun
by SOFT. If you comment on it within the next day or so I could alter it
in response. Basically I think that while the technical issues are
interesting, the management issues are more pressing, and the time has come
for a serious attempt at a coherent policy for future facilities at the lab.
Bruce
∂01-OCT-74 0000 ESS,JMC (reminder)
call dentist
∂16-OCT-74 2216 1,JSL
Hello John- Thank you for resetting me on my account here. The pass-
word had gotten lost at some point; sorry to have had to trouble you.
I look forwat↓λrd to getting set up on Arpaeλnet so we have easier cross-filing
of these messages. I will not be logging in here very often, so please
do use SUMEX for messaging.
Thanks again
JOSH L
∂16-OCT-74 2040 100,100 AT TTY124 2040: MINSKY @ ML
HI. I CAN'T SEEM TO GET INTO YOUR SYSTEM BECAUSE OF
PASSWORD DELETION. IS THIS REVERSIBLE?